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Changing physical constant may be constant after all

  • 15:47 20 June 2008
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Concerns over variation in one of the fundamental constants of physics have been allayed. A new analysis has found no significant variation in the electron-proton mass ratio, also known as mu, over the last 6 billion years.

This contrasts with a result published in 2006 that said the ratio may have decreased by 0.002% in the past 12 billion years.

A team led by Michael Murphy of Swinburne University in Australia examined radio waves coming from a quasar, a giant black hole that glows brightly as it devours its surroundings, some 7.5 billion light years away.

The radiation had passed through a galaxy containing clouds of ammonia gas. This absorbs some parts of its spectrum, leaving a characteristic "fingerprint" that depends very sensitively on the ratio of the masses of the protons and electrons in the molecules.

When the radiation passed through the ammonia 6 billion years ago, the absorbed parts of the spectrum were the same as they would be today. That means the constant hasn't changed in that time.

New physics

This will come as a relief to many physicists, as the laws and constants of physics are generally thought to apply at all times and places in the universe. "If we found mu – or any other constant – to vary, then that would be the end of the Standard Model," says Murphy. "We would have to come up with an entirely new theory of physics."

There is good reason to trust the new result, Murphy says. The wavelengths at which the ammonia molecules absorb radiation depend more strongly on the proton-to-electron mass ratio than with other molecules, such as the molecular hydrogen that was used for the 2006 result. "Our constraint is 10 times better than those previously obtained," Murphy says.

Wim Ubachs, who led the 2006 analysis, agrees Murphy's result is "solid", but thinks there still might be a way to reconcile the two results. There remains the possibility that the constant varied between 6 billion and 12 billion years ago but has not varied since, he says.

Murphy agrees this possibility remains. "Since we don't know how to expect mu to vary throughout the universe, we should not use one observation to suggest the others are wrong quite yet," he told New Scientist.

Journal reference: Science (vol 320, p 1611)

 
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Proton-to-electron Mass Ratio

By Runecat

Fri Jun 20 17:34:35 BST 2008

We can all agree that there may be other possibilities. Perhaps if we can determine where the mass could have gone; finding an increase of mass of about .0002% in, for example, the dark matter could lend support to the lost mass theory.

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Time Is Gravity

By Polemos

Fri Jun 20 18:36:25 BST 2008

I postulate that Time is Gravity.

Hence, near big masses, the flow of Time accelerates instead of slowing down. The speed of Time is expressed through atomic emission frequencies and thus is inversely proportional to the Planck constant.

The universe is imploding - matter becomes concentrated in small loci, while vacuum becomes more rarefied. Hence, the Planck constant of vacuum increases over time. The higher the Planck constant, the more manifest the wave properties of matter. Hence, the ultimate state of the universe is akin to Bose-Einstein condensate - the wave functions of all matter of the universe will become overlapped into a single whole.

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Time Is Gravity

By Cyrus

Fri Jun 20 19:26:59 BST 2008

Agreed.

Without mass, there is no such thing as time since, according to relativity theory, anything travelling at the speed of light does not experience time, and only massless particles can travel at the speed of light. Therefore photons experience no time (from the photon's perspective) until they are absorbed by an electron. The speed of light is a conversion factor between our chosen units for the time and space (i.e. Energy) dimensions.

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Time Is Gravity

By Anon

Fri Jun 20 22:35:48 BST 2008

Time and space are intrinsic, and gravity is merely a function of the way that mass distorts the manifold shape of spacetime.

HENCE (Couldn't you have said anything else such as thus, therefore, accordingly, etc.?) why time slows down in the presence of large masses. It doesn't speed up: stop barking up that tree. We already have to account for those differences in the speed of time on the earth and that relative to our orbital satellites, so you couldn't be more wrong if you had said the Earth is flat.

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Time Is Gravity

By Anon

Sat Jun 21 00:46:28 BST 2008

Anon agrees with Anon.

It is true as a basic observation that whenever an object accelerates(such as under the influence of gravitation) time slows down relative to that object's frame of reference.

Polemos' assertion is along the lines of an absolutism for which no account can really be given (except that it approaches dogmatism rather than methodical observation).

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Time Is Gravity

By Polemos

Sat Jun 21 05:25:53 BST 2008

The universe is a nested entity. Time flows from the periphery of the universe into the smaller-scale universe. Material particles are nodes of the network through which time (gravity) flows. A particle is a portion of time wrapped back upon itself (cf. An eddy on a river).

Each particle moves internally (rotationally) and externally (translationally). The sum of a particle's internal and external speeds equals the speed of light. Hence, when you translationally accelerate a particle, its rotational speed decreases (its internal time slows down).

A particle is a closed loop. A particle at rest is circular. A translationally accelerated particle is elongated in the direction of the movement - it becomes less circular and more helical. Photons are translationally moving at the speed of light. Therefore, they are purely helical - their internal rotational speed (internal speed of time) is insufficient to form a closed loop.

INERT MASS is engendered by gravitational self-interaction of a gravity flux. A particle is a closed loop of gravity possessing the property of INERTIA. The photon is not closed and thus is a pseudoparticle - it has no INERT MASS.

It follows from the above that particles possessing higher inert mass are characterised by higher internal speed of time (higher internal frequencies).

Inert mass is intrinsic gravity. Hence, gravity = time.

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Time Is Gravity

By A Norny Mouse

Sun Jun 22 08:40:30 BST 2008

ITT: Polemos makes some sense.

Prepare for Ragnarok...

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Time Is Gravity

By Charles

Sat Jun 21 13:24:44 BST 2008

Do not feed the Troll

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Time Is Gravity

By Me

Sun Jun 22 05:34:05 BST 2008

It has been proven however that time slows down near large masses, just take an atomic clock into orbit and it travels faster through time than one on earth.

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Time Is Gravity

By Polemos

Sun Jun 22 09:45:10 BST 2008

The difference in the readings of the clocks was checked by means of light impulses of fixed standard frequency sent from the Earth. When light overcomes the terrestrial gravity, it effectively travels with acceleration equal to g and its frequency decreases; it was misinterpreted as an evidence of the surface clock's deceleration relatively to the clock on the airplane or rocket.

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Nyquist Criterion?

By John Reed

Fri Jun 20 19:52:41 BST 2008

Two sample points in 6E9 years could overlook a lot of aliased frequencies.

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