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Planet Pluto fans rebel against 'plutoid' designation

  • 21 June 2008
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Defenders of "planet Pluto" have not been appeased by its latest name-change, and are marshalling support for a major scientific meeting devoted to debating its place in the solar system.

Last week, the International Astronomical Union (IAU) designated Pluto and its cousin Eris as "plutoids". "It sounds like 'haemorrhoids'," says Alan Stern, who is chief scientist for NASA's New Horizons mission to Pluto. He says that planetary scientists have been left out of the IAU's decision-making. Now these scientists will get the chance to present arguments for and against at "The Great Planet Debate" in August at Laurel, Maryland.

The IAU won't be obliged to accept their conclusions. "The IAU has done what it could to come forward with a working definition," says IAU general secretary Karel van der Hucht. "In the meantime, it's a free world, anybody may organise meetings on the subject."

 
From issue 2661 of New Scientist magazine, 21 June 2008, page 6
 
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By Invader Xan

Sat Jun 21 15:50:31 BST 2008

Didn't they come up with the word "Plutino" already?

And seriously, what's so bad about being a Dwarf Planet? The *first* Dwarf Planet ever recognised, no less!

"Not a planet" doesn't equate to disinteresting -- just look at Titan. Or any of the Jovian moons.

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*sigh*

By Sett

Sat Jun 21 22:48:26 BST 2008

Pshhhh. They should just use the term Planette. Small planet, easy to read, definitely distinct and small sounding yet.... Sounds exactly the same as Planet.

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*sigh*

By Rusty

Thu Jul 03 20:00:16 BST 2008

Anyone know what the word "planet" originally meant?

(planetes asteres: wandering stars)

So, if it wanders, as opposed to fixed, we know now that it's a "local" object (orbits the sun)

So anything that orbits our Sun is a planet.

"but but but what about asteroids and comets"

yes, those too are planets but with a more specific sub-class of "asteroid" and "comet"

So Pluto = Planet as much as Earth = Planet however if scientifically (these IAU dweebs sound more like politicians than scientists) we need to be more specific we can sub-categorize the planets in whatever way is useful, but at the top the solar system has thousands of planets (wandering stars) the school kiddos can learn about the 7 classical and 9 modern and the scientists can go about naming planet after planet and arguing over the sub-category

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*sigh*

By Timecube

Sun Jun 22 05:04:23 BST 2008

Hmm, I wonder - could it be that dwarf planets get dwarf research funding?

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*sigh*

By Invader Xan

Mon Jun 23 00:50:36 BST 2008

I suspect that could be the real problem!

(If only giant stars got giant funding...)

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Bananas

By Anonymous

Sat Jun 21 17:23:28 BST 2008

I agree with you, Invader Xan. This IAU debacle has done nothing more than set off tantrums amongst the overly sensistive on a completely ridiculous question of "definition". Any sufficiently dispassionate observer at the time the IAU made its deliberations (and there WERE many of them) could smell the stink approaching from a mile away.

What were they thinking?

Some in the IAU apparently feel that the astronomical community requires some guidance in their terminology - they seem to think that astronomy is rather more akin to a club of nomenclature enthusiasts among biological cladists who's main purpose is to bicker about how best to classify a species of bird.

Meanwhile, the constant shrill ravings by Alan Stern that the word sounds like "haemorrhoids" is exceedingly tiresome and rather puzzling. Why haven't words such as "asterOIDS", "meteoOIDS" and "planetOIDS" exercised his outrage in the past?

This stuff is bananas. If the IAU is so concerned about "correcting" the terms we use to classify objects, why doesn't it look to correcting that grievously hideous historical term "planetary nebula"?

I nominate the term "Stellar Terminal Nebula", or "STN".

Or don't they care that much about how much the public and youngsters are continually confused by a lousy WORD after all?

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Bananas

By Polemos

Sun Jun 22 12:03:17 BST 2008

Anonymouse, everybody is sick and tired of your incomprehensible longtail scribble. Go back into your hole.

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Bananas

By Whipster

Mon Jun 23 09:22:00 BST 2008

Not at all - anonumouse made many good points.

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Bananas

By Rich

Mon Jun 23 11:40:31 BST 2008

I agree, compared to Polemos' usual dribble, which has little support and typically results in contempt for anyone who argues back, this made sense!

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Bananas

By Matt

Mon Jun 23 19:45:24 BST 2008

Some of us are, in fact, tired of this whole "debate." You would think these Pluto "fans" were actually born there to be so offended by how we classify a distant frozen rock.

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Bananas

By Anonymous

Wed Jun 25 17:28:30 BST 2008

Oh, so you speak for "everybody", do you?

Speaking of "incomprehensible", I wonder how Polemoid ever manages to suppress his embarrassment every time he posts.

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Bananas

By Polemos

Thu Jun 26 06:55:00 BST 2008

I just mirrored your own assault against me. You are barking at your own image in the mirror of my comment. Stop using ad hominem language.

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Pluto Is The Supreme Planet

By Polemos

Sat Jun 21 18:14:37 BST 2008

Uranium -> Neptunium -> Plutonium

Uranus -> Neptune -> Pluto

The orbital periods of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are proportioned as 1:2:3 (a Fibonacci triad).

Being a member of the suprasaturnian triad, Pluto is a planet.

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Pluto Is The Supreme Planet

By Anonymous

Sat Jun 21 19:13:42 BST 2008

Polemos, as usual, you are a consummate disaster.

Go away and haunt a site more attuned to your whacky whims.

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Pluto Is The Supreme Planet

By Polemos

Sun Jun 22 07:27:37 BST 2008

Get dwarfed.

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Pluto Is The Supreme Planet

By Harsh Kumar Verma

Sun Jun 22 06:13:51 BST 2008

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Pluto Is The Supreme Planet

By Harsh Kumar Verma And Sc+clean Up&#45;squad

Sun Jun 22 06:17:41 BST 2008

Oops sorry about the spelling mistakes' I was so angry ate the pluto fans and ot solve the question check the definition of a planet or dwarf planet and it is a dwarf planet just see normal hum dwarf human use a diagram like that to help solve it or just blow them all up

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Pluto Is The Supreme Planet

By Nick601

Sun Jun 22 08:35:45 BST 2008

I think blowing Pluto up is one of the more rational ideas I've heard today. It would certainly resolve the 'dwarf planet' conundrum.

Well done that man! ...

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Pluto Is The Supreme Planet

By A Pedant Writes

Sun Jun 22 08:32:36 BST 2008

Actually at 84.32, 164.79 and 248.09 years respectively, the orbital periods of U, N and P are best represented by 1: 1.51 : 2.94 which isn't *quite* a Fibonacci wotsit.

The devil, as ever, is in the details.

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Pluto Is The Supreme Planet

By Polemos

Sun Jun 22 09:58:02 BST 2008

Visit an exorcist.

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